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Naardaas · Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:07 pm Post subject:

Okay.

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Aarikku · Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:01 pm Post subject:

Hm... I missed Buster Ore. *shrug* There doesn't seem to be any problem there.
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Naardaas · Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:02 pm Post subject:

Then the Deck is completed. For now.
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Naardaas · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:21 pm Post subject:

These are my proposals for the errata'd cards. Please note that Lindworm and Lung were not here originally.

(Level One) Tin Wyrm (Metal)
Category: MetaDragon · Dragon
Effect: If this card is destroyed while you control [Alchemy Seal], place it in your Mana Zone.
ATK: 800
DEF: 800

(Level Two) Brass Lindworm (Metal)
Category: MetaDragon · Dragon
Effect: Once per turn, you can scrap 1 [Brass Lindworm] from your deck to have this creature gain 500 ATK until the turn ends.
ATK/ 2300
DEF/ 1000

(Level Two) Steel Lung (Metal)
Category: MetaDragon · Dragon
Effect: When this creature is played, scrap 1 card from your hand and draw 2 cards.
ATK/ 2200
DEF/ 2000

(Level Three) Mercury Dragon (Metal)
Category: MetaDragon · Dragon
Effect: If you have a MetaDragon in your Mana Zone, this card gains 1000 ATK. If you control a FIRE Mana, it gains Spell Immunity.
ATK: 2500
DEF: 2000

(Level Three) Bronze Amphithere (Metal)
Category: MetaDragon · Dragon
Effect: While you control a MetaDragon with a different name, +1500 ATK. If this card is destroyed while you control [Alchemy Seal], add 1 Level 2 or less Dragon from your Deck to your Mana Zone.
ATK: 3000
DEF: 3300

(Level Four) Cobalt Wyvern (Metal)
Category: MetaDragon · Dragon
Effect: This card cannot attack your opponent directly. +300 ATK for each other MetaDragon you control.
ATK: 4000
DEF: 4000

(Level Four) Silver Hydra (Metal)
Category: MetaDragon · Dragon
Effect: By tapping 1 Mana while you control [Alchemy Seal], this card can attack twice this turn.
ATK: 3600
DEF: 2500

(Level Five) Gold Basilisk (Metal)
Category: MetaDragon · Dragon
Effect: Any creature that battles this card is not destroyed in Combat. Once per turn, by tapping (1) while [Alchemy Seal] is in play, you can change an attack target to this card; at that time, it gets +500 ATK for the battle.
ATK: 4700
DEF: 4000

(Level Six) Titanium Dragon (Metal)
Category: MetaDragon · Dragon
Effect: This card can only be played while [Alchemy Seal] is in play and 6+ Unique MetaDragons are in your Graveyard or in play (Do not tap Mana). This card has Spell immunity while [Alchemy Seal] is in play. Tribute any Metal monster: this card gains the ATK of the tributed monster until the End Phase.
ATK: 4800
DEF: 4800

(Level Two) Buster Mining
Spell
Scrap 1 MetaDragon. Summon back 1 MetaDragon from your discard pile with a lower cost.
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Aarikku · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject:

Mercury Dragon's much better; all the others are mostly the same. The theme still suffers from having only a single Level One monster.
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Naardaas · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:32 pm Post subject:

This any better?

And since you like Mercury better, I'll errata the beginning post to include this new effect.
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Aarikku · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:35 pm Post subject:

Eh, not really. They've all got offensive effects; there's no reason to play them for less Mana than their Level. It's just that the theme itself suffers by having only high-level cards.
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Naardaas · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:36 pm Post subject:

So, what, I drop the levels on the cards to be lower naturally?
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Aarikku · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:37 pm Post subject:

I dunno what to do. I'd almost recommend starting from scratch.
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Naardaas · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:38 pm Post subject:

That'd take too long. I have a deadline for my series and I need their effects finished in time to use them.
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Aarikku · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:40 pm Post subject:

Well, it's entirely up to you. Especially considering you've already gone ahead with making the two new MetaDragons, despite our disagreements.
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Naardaas · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:41 pm Post subject:

Well, I'll give it some more thought for the final versions. But you are happy with Mercury now, right?
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Aarikku · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject:

Mercury you should change back to 2500 (3700 and Spell Immunity on a Level Three's too much), but it does go better with the other MetaDragons now. So yeah, I'm cool with Mercury.

I do recommend adding 'Dragon' to all their categories. Give them support from Cave Nest, Dragons' Spire and Dragon's Fury.
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Naardaas · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:45 pm Post subject:

Okay, I'll fix that.

Also, the Art I gave you for Transmutation can now be used for Buster Mining instead, which I'll post the effect for.
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Aarikku · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:46 pm Post subject:

Alright.
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Naardaas · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:49 pm Post subject:

Happy now, Leric-san? Or at least happier?
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Aarikku · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:51 pm Post subject:

Make Buster Mining Level Two, and it's fine.
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Naardaas · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject:

Okay, if there are no further matters then these can become their official effects.
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Aarikku · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject:

I really don't like the Cost-lowering effects, and something bugs me about Gold and Wyvern's battling restrictions. Ah well - take away the cost-lowering, and they're fine.
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Naardaas · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:56 pm Post subject:

I can kill the battle restrictions if ya like. D'ya mean take it away for those 2 or all 3 with it?
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Aarikku · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject:

No, leave them. They are needed.

It occurs to me suddenly how ridiculously powerful Lindworm is. I really don't think I can support a 2800-ATK monster that lets you summon Titanium Dragon that easily.
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Naardaas · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:59 pm Post subject:

The 2800 thing only lasts the turn, but - oh yeah, the Gold can cover for it.

Then again, this kinda makes up for the derogatory pieces of the theme. I could restrictit though.

And you didn't answer my last question.
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Aarikku · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 6:01 pm Post subject:

Yes I did. 'Leave them' means 'leave the battle restrictions'.

As I said to Pyrah, you can't balance bad cards (or below-par cards, since these aren't what I'd call 'bad') with unfairly good ones.
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Aarikku · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject:

Hey, I just noticed the cards in Buster Mining's picture. Nice work on Living Bullet!
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Naardaas · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 6:03 pm Post subject:

First off, my last question was "D'ya mean take it away for those 2 or all 3 with it?". Meaning the less Mana thing. And as I said, I can put a limitation on Lindworm.
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Aarikku · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 6:05 pm Post subject:

Okay. Making the discard from the hand would easily balance it (though that might make it not worth it anymore).

It just needs something that makes it so that it can't summon Titanium Dragon singlehandedly and/or without any effort whatsoever. Maybe it should be a Level One monster that deck-scraps a MetaDragon when it dies.
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Naardaas · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 6:11 pm Post subject:

Okay, I put a stumbling block in. He's the last monster you play that turn.
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Aarikku · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 6:11 pm Post subject:

That... doesn't help at all.
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Naardaas · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 6:13 pm Post subject:

Alright. Wait, I know!
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Aarikku · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 6:15 pm Post subject:

Interesting. I'm cool with that.
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Naardaas · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 6:17 pm Post subject:

Is court adjerned then, or have you rebuttle testimony?

Or, in non-matephor, anything else?
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Aarikku · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 6:18 pm Post subject:

I can't think of anything.

Normally I'd rush off to go fix the Lackey versions, but considering no one really uses Lackey, there's not much of a point. Alas.
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Naardaas · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 6:19 pm Post subject:

Well, now that everything is settled, can the 2 new cards come to life?
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Aarikku · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 6:19 pm Post subject:

You mean three? No probalo. Give me a sec...
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Naardaas · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 6:23 pm Post subject:

YEE-HAW!
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Aarikku · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 6:24 pm Post subject:

You really have to start making them squarer. But viola!

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Naardaas · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject:

I'm so happy Eric. Thank you very much!
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Aarikku · Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 6:28 pm Post subject:

No problem.
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Aarikku · Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:26 pm Post subject:

Since you wanted to have another go at Mercury Dragon, might I recommend making it a Level One with a completely different effect?
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Naardaas · Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject:

Mercury Dragon needs a redo. How's about:

(Level Three) Mercury Dragon (Metal)
Category: MetaDragon - Dragon
Effect: While you control a MetaDragon Mana, this card gains 1000 STK. While you control [Alchemy Seal], it gains Immunity to Spells.
STK/ 2500
GRD/ 2000
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Aarikku · Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:28 pm Post subject:

So it's now just a Noble Dragon with Spell Immunity. I really don't like that.
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Naardaas · Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:29 pm Post subject:

Alright, what would you recommend?
EDIT: Oh, sorry. Didn't notice your initial post about redoing Mercury.
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Aarikku · Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:29 pm Post subject:

Um... it should be a Level One beatstick.
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Naardaas · Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:31 pm Post subject:

Well, it still needs an effect. All MetaDragons have effects. But I like what I hear so far.

(Level One) Mercury Dragon (Metal)
Category: MetaDragon - Dragon
Effect: ???
STK/ 1900
GRD/ ???
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Aarikku · Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:32 pm Post subject:

Obviously. But 1900 might be too high for a really good effect.
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Naardaas · Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:33 pm Post subject:

Not a great effect; more like Blazing Fox. One positive, one negative.
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Aarikku · Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:34 pm Post subject:

We should move away from Mana effects, though. MetaDragons need a good first-turn monster.
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Naardaas · Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:35 pm Post subject:

Of course. I'm just saying, two effects that arrive at "+-0".
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Aarikku · Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:38 pm Post subject:

Well, it's your theme, so 'tis all up to you.
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Naardaas · Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:40 pm Post subject:

Well, I just may have something.

(Level One) Mercury Dragon (Metal)
Category: MetaDragon - Dragon
Effect: If you do not control [Alchemy Seal], this card cannot attack. When you play this card, select a Level Two or lower MetaDragon from your deck, except [Mercury Dragon], and add it to your hand.
STK/ 1900
GRD/ 1200

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